I’m new to this forum and the MGTOW movement almost entirely.

I have to be honest and say that I’ve known of MGTOW but I tried to dismiss it as a bunch of guys being overcautious – I want to say this was about a year ago, roughly(?)

I’m in a long term relationship (2 years) and a couple of weeks back she brought up the topic of marriage. As I had dismissed the notion of MGTOW, probably out of ignorance, I thought I was up for it. I mean, I’ve always wanted kids and a family and the security that marriage can bring with it. (Or so that lie goes).

Caveat: I realised today that you don’t need marriage to have a family/kids; adoption is a single man is also possible. I’m not thinking about having kids now, just the possibility.

Today, I was looking at the trending topics on Facebook and saw an article that covered the CEO of an energy company was ordered to give his ex-wife just shy of $1B!!! That’s $995,400,000. I was surprised and angered to read that commenters were finding this acceptable. The wife went on to try and claim alimony but the judge decided not to. They don’t have children, she is an executive of a company; her income shouldn’t be an issue.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/11/10/energy-tycoon-divorce-settlement/18812087/?csp=fbfanpage

Anyway, I think to myself, why would anyone in their right mind open themselves up to that kind of liability?

Also, as a side note, prenups aren’t recognised where I live (UK) EXCEPT, and of course, there’s an exception, where the person who is trying to claim for alimony is a man. There was one case where a wealthy woman was being divorced and the man sought alimony. The man signed a prenup and the judge (who was female) said that the prenup was binding and he didn’t get a penny. Even though, there are so many cases where a man’s prenup fails in court and the wife is awarded all sorts of settlements.

I have been reading a vast amount of comments on this forum from men who are already married (sorry, gents) and aren’t having a great time. It would be an insult to all of you if I were to blindly enter into the contractual, lifelong slavery that you guys have to endure.

With that being said, I’m now going to have to go back on the conversation I had with her. On the plus side, depending on how she reacts, she may either validate my concerns by going bats~~~ crazy and defending the idea of marriage a little too much or she’ll accept it and things will be alright. I’d like to think she’d be fine with it. Who knows?

The more and more I think about it, the more obvious it is that marriage only has one winner.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this website, you may have just saved one soul from modern day slavery!
Good luck to everyone in the s~~~ty marriages.

Thanks again.

marriage only has one winner

You are exactly right there, marriage is for women and their security from ages long past and is now redundant. A wedding is a way to spend a fortune on absolutely nothing.

If you are a man, a marriage contract fails every risk/benefit check-up, no matter how you approach it.

My reccomendation is that the next time you talk with her, ask her this.

“Why do you want me to sign a marriage contract?”

Make emphasis on the CONTRACT part. That way you take out any sort of romantic Disney bulls~~~ nature out of it and serve it up for what it is.

There is no way afterwards that she can properly argument her reasons to you, as every reason will be something that is a benefit to her, not to you.

I dated for well over 3 years(included living together) and thought I knew My Ex Wife like nobody else. The joke was on me, as we went into our 7th year of marriage, she lied about wanting kids (she had an implanon put inside of her without me knowing) and lied about an extra marital affair for well over 3 years. Yeah, needless to say, I was shocked, I thought I knew this Person, and that This Person was the One for me.

I’m not trying to discourage you from getting Married, because what you do with Your Life is actually none of my business, however to truly know someone you’ve got to know them a loooooong time. Like you pointed out, there are Single Men who do Adopt to have Children. Divorce sucks, and not only that it’s expensive as f~~~, and thank God I didn’t have any children with my ex wife.

I agree with what Yuri said.

that piece of paper changes a woman’s mind and personality quickly.

“Um… That don’t sound so good.”

“Go on! Man up and sign!”

“Duh, okay. She’s not like that. It’ll work out for me this time … ”

Like P.T. Barnum said …

Write your OWN marriage contract. Yes I’m serious.
Outline ALL of your terms. TO YOUR LIKING – no matter how ridiculous.

You want her to greet you at the door when you come home wearing nothing but a smile, a beer and a blow job?

Write it down.

• You want her to mop the floors weekly? Write it down.
• You want her to nance around in maid outfit wearing bunny ears? Write it down.
Write everything down that YOU want. What YOU expect. And what YOU are willing to do. ALL of it.
Don’t hold back. Make sure she knows, any breach of this contract and the marriage is void.

Put it on really nice paper. Maybe in a very nice font. Then add this right at the top….

#1. You will shut the f~~~ up whenever I request it.

Now, she will have a problem with this. They always do. Because as far as every woman is concerned, “marriage” is about HER getting whatever the f~~~ she wants, while your wants, needs and desires are a non-consideration. And if she’s not “happy”, she expects the grand windfall and a huge payout.

Shutting the f~~~ up is asking NOTHING from her. It takes less effort than talking. It even takes less effort than applying lipstick. If she is not willing to DO NOTHING to pleaser her husband…. then she is simply not marriageable. For all the bulls~~~ women expect men to do in “marriage” to make them “happy”, if she won’t even STOP TALKING to please you, do not make her your bride under any circumstances.

Its the perfect out. And you can call her out on this. So the next time she brings up marriage, hand her YOUR marriage contract and eagerly hand her a pen. She will run screaming for the hills. Albert Einstein actually had this stipulation in his marriage contract. It’s pure genius.

Enjoy.

Use your imagination here and let it run wild!

More men need to be writing their OWN marriage contracts if they are going to be dumb enough to sign a marriage contract. When women get a whiff of it and learn that men will get their needs met or there will be no wedding, they will learn to adjust their f~~~ing attitudes.

Consider the concept of an engagement ring. She EXPECTS you to work a whole year to save 2-3 months of after-tax savings just to ASK FOR PERMISSION to love her until death. This is an automatic expectation. That’s 5000 hours of your labour. It’s one entire working year of your life – regardless of economic level. If you agree to this, you are now in a position to EXPECT 5000 hours of her labour – just to be even with the ring! And she wants you to KNEEL DOWN and give it to her?

OK. Let’s say you EXPECT her to make a sammich every single day – which takes 5 minutes. In order to be even with the ring, she would have to make you a sammich every day for 145 YEARS. And since she wants a man to KNEEL DOWN and present her with a ring…. you now get to EXPECT her to kneel down when she brings you the sammich. Every single day. For 145 years. Or she can make you 3 sammiches a day for 50 years. Leave that up to her.

Simple as that.. Name ONE benefit you will get out of a marriage that you can’t get by being single. Please, enlighten me.

Sex?… Seriously..? Anyone who knows a married couple has seen how sex declines immediately after marriage.. Plus, getting sex outside of paying for alimony, child support, and dealing with constant nagging is extremely easy in today’s “hook-up” society. Sex should never be a reason to get married.

Companionship?…… Once again, seriously!? Why do you need companionship from a woman? Be more independent, you will benefit in the long run both mentally and physically. The real truth to needing “companionship” is that men are horny… You know that feeling after you blow a load? When her bulls~~~ becomes less tolerable? That is “companionship.” Prior to sleeping with a woman, it is easy to listen to (and most likely ignore) anything she says. After you’ve f~~~ed her, do you really want to listen to what she says…? Seriously..? (Please think this through)

“Security?”… You’ll notice this is in quotes for a reason.. Security in relationships DOES. NOT. EXIST. Marriage or no marriage, you are not secure in your relationship whether you are dating Pamela Anderson or a nun. Women are scandalous, and will do whatever they can to gain attention. She will move to the next guy who can provide more than you whenever she gets the chance. Security is not a realistic idea when it comes to a relationship (and especially marriage).

Tax benefits?… alright, this seems to be the last act of a desperate debater when trying to justify marriage. Are we seriously to the point where we are signing a contract meant to be “for life” to get a tax break? How s~~~ty is your job/income?… Frankly, do you really want to get married if the greatest benefit is to get a tax break? (if that is even accurate, I personally do not know how the tax breakdown works. Nonetheless, it doesn’t matter… a tax break isn’t a reason to get married either way).

…… I’m out. WHY!? What reason is there for a man to get married…?

At least 88% of all divorces end up with the female financially benefiting.
Prenups do pretty much dick all in courts now adays, so don’t count of them 😛

Remember, there is a reason why 80% of divorces are initiated by the female.

Lastly, you should brace yourself for a barrage of EXTREMELY DIRTY TACTICS.
If she doesn’t go bat s~~~ crazy and accuse you of rape or whatever 😛
You should be prepared for her trying to get pregnant ( by your or another person ) in order to guilt trip you into a marriage… it’s a very common tactic, and if you go around on forums and even just strolling on facebook, you’ll find out just exactly how disgustingly common it is.

So why bring her family and some lawyers and the government into it? As Doug Stanhope says “If marriage didn’t exist, would you invent it?”