MGTOWFreedom…what does it mean to you ? – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 18:52:19 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/page/475/#post-12238 <![CDATA[Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/page/475/#post-12238 Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:34:01 +0000 Hi Gents,

since I took the red pill I am always strive to widen my freedom, every day a little bit more.  The idea of freedom, freedom in your mind, is the foundation. All other things will follow.

There is a key scene in the movie Apoclypse Now about freedom when Willard (Martin Sheen) came to Kurtz’s (Marlon Brando) cave and Kurtz just asked:

Have you ever considered any real freedoms ? Freedoms – from the opinions of others… Even the opinions of yourself.

These words are for all times in my mind, since I took the red pill.

Kurtz didn’t let Willard answer this question because he did know he will got no “Mahatma” answer so he went on and asked:

They say why…, Willard, why they wanted to terminate my command ?”

In this case, Willard just anwered what he have been told to answer:

I was sent on a classified mission, sir.

Then for me was clear, they don’t want to terminate Kurtz’s command, they want to terminate his freedom.  It runs through the movie like the central thread.  They are always want to terminate the freedom, OUR FREEDOM, by telling us that they want preserve freedom.

Well, what do you think about freedom and what are you doing to widen and preserve it.

To all the MGHOWs around the world, all the best whishes for 2015. Keep on going your own way !

By the way:  Independently of your current Situation, maybe trapped, maybe in a horrible marrige, maybe in a domestic quarrel, or paying alimonies and penalties etc.  and you feel like living in hell, remind this.

Also the Hell is a place which turns around the sun.

Take care and CHEERS!!!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13095 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13095 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 00:06:22 +0000 MBD When we look at most of the wars, Men would die in the fight for freedom. Then they go and get married, where most freedoms are gone. Men would do hi risk work and even die in the pursue of power, then they will marry and let a woman take half of it.  Men would die fighting for their families and then let their ex take it away from them.  Freedom is when that you value the most cannot be taken away. When you are the only person you need to ask permission for or the only one whose decisions affects your path in life. Freedom is the “empty” space between areas of control.  Avoid the areas of control out of your life, and you have freedom. Prevent dept, marriage, children or binding contracts. Prevent social pressures that enslave you, dont worry about being a hero, earning more than the other guy, or show women how much you would do or sacrifice for them.  Get rid of habits that may be illegal or incriminating and develop habits that cannot be scrutinized. The worst enslavement is the enslavement where you enter in yourself, because you will blame others and never be able to escape because you would not let yourself escape.

I’ve been reading many men’s testimonies about marriage and divorces, it gets ugly, even my ex boss from way back said. “If I know what I know now, I would never got married”. The greatest wisdom is the kind that allow you to learn from other peoples mistakes and foolishness. If you don’t learn from it, then they suffered in vain.  If someone burned his hand on a stove, there is no need for you to try it too. So guys must map the spaces between the elements that control them, and explore their freedom. Else all the men who were fighting in wars for our freedoms have died in vain. If you can harvest that, then that would be a the only thing men can exclusively get from that what men before them have created, everything else is shared shared with entitled women.

Let the only men who died in vain be the ones who stayed behind on the Titanic so that women and children can get the lifeboats only for women a few years later to demand to be treated as equals.

A great deal of men sit in prison due to their involvement with women because they loved women or thought they did, men who never would have been there if they valued their freedoms more. An intruder breaks in and a man protects his family and shoot him, man sit in prison and woman finds a new man. and the list goes on. Some men would steal to feed their families and go to prison, she benefit from his crimes but gets to go to the next man while only he goes to prison. Don’t be a sucker, the social system with women are designed to exploit men as disposable resources. Only those who truly value freedom will truly have freedom.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13108 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13108 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 01:31:00 +0000 IronSoldier The posts in this thread remind me of a point that a mangina marriage counselor once tried to make to me a decade ago.  He said, “if women led nations, there would be no wars.”  My head almost exploded.  I said, “Oh really?  Let’s play a game, then, doc.  You name a woman leader of state, and I’ll name the war she led her nation into.  And then, for every woman we mention, I’ll mention three male leaders of state whose nation did NOT participate in a war during their administration.”  He declined to play the game with me.

I never sat down and crunched the numbers, but I’m willing to bet that if we take all the women who led a nation at war and divided it by all the women leaders in the world, and then did the same for men leaders, the ratio would show women leaders to be absolute warmongers compared to men.  One day, I should do this, but my knowledge of history is far too lacking to make an accurate or complete enough list to make this point.

Let’s see…I can think of:

Hatshepsut, circa 1500 BC, Ancient Egypt vs. the Abyssinias and vs. the …Hittites?…Semites?

Cleopatra VII, circa 40 BC, Ancient Egypt vs.Rome

Boudicea, circa 60 AD, Iceni vs. Rome

Queen Elizabeth I, 1500s, England vs. France and England vs. Spain, and vs. Mary of Scots, etc.

Catherine de Medici, 1500s, French Wars of Religion

Maria Theresa, 1700s, Seven Years War

Catherine the Great, 1700s, Russia vs. the Turks, the Swedes, the Poles

Queen Victoria, 1800s, Indian Rebellion

Golda Meir, 1970s, Yom Kippur War

Indira Gandhi, 1980s, Indian Army vs. the Damdami Taksal

Margaret Thatcher, 1980s, Faulkand Islands War

Who else am I missing?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13132 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13132 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 03:02:32 +0000 IronSoldier Ah…I am reminded of some more*:

Artemesia I, 480 BC, Greece vs. Persia

Zenobia, 3rd Century, Palmyra vs. Rome

Æthelflæd, 10th Century, Mercia vs. the Danes

Countess Matilda, 11th Century, Tuscany vs. Austria

Queen Isabella I, who is often regarded over Ferdinand of Aragon as the primary ruler of Castile, 1500s, Portugal vs. the Moors

“Bloody” Queen Mary I, 1500s, England vs. Ireland and France

Warrior Queen Suriyothai, 1500s, Siam vs. Burma

Empress Elizabeth of Russia, 1700s, War of Austrian Succession

Queen Anne of Britain, 1700s, Queen Anne’s War

Queen Lakshmibai, 1850s, India vs. the British

Geez…I’m starting to see that the easier list would have been of women rulers who WEREN’T the leader of a nation at war.

And in a perfect “jerk store” moment, long after this incident with the marriage counselor, I realized what I SHOULD have said to him:  if women ruled the world, regardless of whether there would be be more wars, the ones that did take place would never end because every time the warring parties met to parlay, every slight by the other side would be recalled, brought up, and thrown in the face of the enemy, and there would never be peace.

And by the way, MariusD, your very philosophical insight on the definition of freedom is worthy of the writings of Friedrich Schelling.  It’s also worthy of the Purple Patch thread.

 

*Honorable mention goes to Harriet Beecher Stowe, Helen of Troy and Joan of Arc who, while not leaders of nations, are said to be responsible for three separate wars.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13144 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13144 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 03:26:52 +0000 ... Therapists have keywords and catch phrases and a small limited amount of ideas because they come through the university system. I have dated three. Sex was great with two of them, very wild and they enjoyed most being told what to do and being dominated. That had to be kept secret of course. Your historical research is very well done man. In my opinion, therapy is for pussies and it is very overpriced. It will be far too many years I think before that field will be able to absorb internet consciousness because by the time they figure it out (if they give a f~~~) the consciousness will have grown to something entirely new. Thanks internet!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13151 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13151 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 03:42:43 +0000 IronSoldier Thanks for the compliment, ListenUp!

Yes, I’ve always believed that therapy is bulls~~~ and a racket for women, a way to turn the spotlight on them to give them the incessant attention their narcissistic little hearts forever desire.  My ex was in therapy since before I knew her, and then she started dragging me into the fray.  I never wanted anything to do with it.  Now that she’s out of my life as much as I can legally manage under the gynocentric system of slavery that passes for the Family Court System, my goal is to never step foot in another therapist’s office for the rest of my life.

 

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13170 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-13170 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 04:41:24 +0000 ... Sure thing Iron. You didn’t need to be there in that office in the first place. You are right about just more attention whore bulls~~~. Sorry about whatever happened to you with your ex. Society is completely against men at this point in the world as you are finding out. I got burned really bad last time around as well but I walked away and am rebuilding. My January schedule is the best work wise it has been in years. I am sleeping great. I’m dropping weight. I laughed so hard at some of the videos here earlier today, I went out and looked for a piece of ass hahahaha. I don’t think mgtow is an anti-female movement at all. I am not against anything other than the suppression of ideas. Everyone can use the information they take in to feed themselves and then see how it works out in real life. My impression of this website is that free speech is welcome and that is why people come here. Sometimes you’ve got to vent and you can do that here. I find it especially interesting the wrinkles to the stories here as I’m always on my toes to see what kind of s~~~ women may try next. I’ll be wealthy again at the front of 2016. If I can stay self aware with everything I will have learned by then, I won’t find myself in another relationship mess again.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15227 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15227 Sat, 17 Jan 2015 04:31:35 +0000 IronSoldier I agree, LU!.  MGTOW is not a women-hating group.  I see it this way:

Men and women both have flaws inherent to their sex.  (Men are hard-wired to sow their seed and will go to great lengths to do so.  Women are hard-wired to extract resources from men.)  I hate the SOCIAL STRUCTURE and LEGAL SYSTEM that punish and enslave men for their gender-inherent flaws while simultaneously rewarding women for theirs.

Yes, I’m a lawyer and I said I hate the legal system.  I’m looking at YOU, Family Court system!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15229 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15229 Sat, 17 Jan 2015 04:36:52 +0000 ... Ironsoldier: happy f~~~ing FRIDAY brother. good to see you man! good post as always and why not hate the f~~~ing system? we are being punished ALL THE TIME but a lot of the young guys here haven’t figured that s~~~ out yet. I know your story bro, i feel for what you are going through. system is a rigged POS that rewards everyone but us the people doing the actual work. f~~~ it! its friday. i just passed the blunt back to Ninja, so have some if you want IronSoldier.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15600 <![CDATA[Reply To: Freedom…what does it mean to you ?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/freedom-what-does-it-mean-to-you/#post-15600 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:36:54 +0000 IronSoldier Thanks, LU!.  Hope you’re having a good extended weekend.

@John Doe, in the Purple Patches thread, you responded to MariusD’s statement in this thread that “Freedom is the “empty” space between areas of control.” by saying:

The ability to rip apart, divide, destroy, etc. provides this “empty” space.  However this has caused much suffering for many men at the mercy of a corrupted system.

Ironsoldier:  Your attempts are noble, but I fear subjectivity can “blind” this thread.  After all if “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” than you are deriving truth as you see fit.

On a side note, I wonder if I should have changed my forum name to “The Devil’s Advocate” because it seems that is all I do with these philosophy threads.  Or maybe instead of disagreeing I am just touching up someone else’s work of art.

I’m not sure I understood your post.  Could you elaborate?  I didn’t even realize you were disagreeing until I read your own description of your post as such.  I want to comprehend your point, but it went over my head.  What did you mean?

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