MGTOWD.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative. – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:23:04 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/page/418/#post-29231 <![CDATA[D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/page/418/#post-29231 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 02:05:27 +0000 Vector Viking When I was an undergrad, I took a course on the history of American film. Over all it was a really fun and interesting class, but there was this one big, sharp thorn in the course material.

You can’t honestly study and learn about that subject without including D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation”.

Man, watching that in class was awkward. For everyone. Add to that, the university where I studied is less than an hour drive from the birthplace of the KKK. Sure, racism does exist just as much in Minnesota as it does in Mississippi, but down here in the South it’s still a very sensitive subject. A white Bostonian can hang out with a black Bostonian and say “Boy, we sure did show those confederates what-for back in the day!”, while the de facto assumption in the American south is that people still widely hold 1860s-era beliefs about race.

If you haven’t seen the film, the basic gist of the message that it portrays southern blacks as subhuman animals, with one unified preoccupation: raping white women. The “heroes” that “saved” the white women from those evil savage rapists were, of course, the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. The reason why the film is an important landmark in American history is that its popularity led to a rapid explosion of nationwide membership in the KKK, which in turn led to a giant torrential downpour of bad s~~~ happening to non-whites.

Feminism’s victim narrative is exactly the same. Instead of just black men being subhuman savage rapists, it’s all men. Instead of white women being the helpless distressed victims, it’s all women. Instead of the Klan being the only possible saviors, it’s feminists.

Thoughts?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29372 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29372 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:08:33 +0000 Dakota If I was going to draw a parallel with the movie I would simply say that feminists are the modern-day carpet-baggers…taking what someone else gave to them that they did not and could not earn for themselves.

What’s even more disturbing though is that Universities teach crap like American Film all for the princely sum of 100 to 200K a year amoritized over 30 years at 6%.  “Higher education” is one of the greatest bastions of liberal, humanist, feminist brain-washing there is in America today producing programmed, unthinking robots called “graduates” who can ace trigonometry, calculus, and physics but can’t balance their own checkbook, do their own taxes, or plan for a decent retirement.  You felt uncomfortable watching the movie because that’s what your teacher wanted.  Feeling uncomfortable was the lesson.  It reinforces group consensus/group thinking and mob mentality.  I watched the movie to educate myself and to find out what the fuss was all about and found it to be one of the best movies of the silent era and definitely one of the greatest movies ever made…relatively speaking.  So did President Woodrow Wilson.

The movie is what movies are created to be…infotainment.  Is it propaganda?  Sure.  So are all movies produced by Hollywood about war…got to trick folk into sacrificing themselves somehow!… (which is why the Pentagon “signs off” on every war script Hollywood intends to shoot).   You would have been equally uncomfortable watching “Deep Throat” in your Women’s Studies class…which obviously would have been the point.  I’ve lived in every part of this country and found that each region has it’s own narrative or bent on history that is systematically “taught” to young, impressionable minds.  When I got older, I started to enjoy life much more when I began to think for myself and to see life as it is and not how I’m supposed to see it.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29398 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29398 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:12:39 +0000 Vector Viking Dakota, I can see why you might assume that, but when you’re seeking a degree in film production, learning the history and background of the industry you want to work in is somewhat important.

And no, the lesson wasn’t to make the students feel uncomfortable. The lesson was not about the content of the film but the impact that it had on culture and that the success of the film created the film industry itself. Before Birth of a Nation, films were largely seen as some whimsical new-fangled art form and largely independently produced (Lumiere Bros., Georges Meliés). After its success, film was seen as a legitimate form of mass media and something worth investing capital in. While this is worth noting, this isn’t a classroom lecture about any would-be conspiracy behind the motivations of the professor who taught the class, nor the widely-held falsehood that one must either identify as conservative or liberal.

The point that I was trying to make is the parallel of the propaganda strategy between modern feminism and the KKK of 100 years ago.

The KKK in 1916: All black men are dangerous rapists and need to be subjugated by Klansmen for the the good of society.

Modern feminism: All men are dangerous rapists and need to be subjugated by feminists for the good of society.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29670 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29670 Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:04:35 +0000 Dakota I see.  It appears that we will just have to disagree as I find it difficult to draw comparisons between the Klan and feminists.  Yes, I can make comparisons but that doesn’t mean that it would be a great tool to convey my message.  Kind of like saying that Nazism is like feminism.

Also, you keep saying that the movie portrays all black men as rapists.  I didn’t get that message.  The point of the movie was that when the white community was taken out of power there was a power-vacuum and the blacks, northerners, and carpet baggers moved in to take over and chaos ensues.  The Klan joins together to clean everyone out, restore society and bring the public institutions back to civility.  That you continue to focus on one aspect of the film (black rapists) and make comparisons leads me to believe you got the message the teacher was sending.

As far a your jab about a “would-be conspiracy,” I assume you are talking of the tin-hat community of which I am not a member (yet).  When I talk of conspiracy I mean it just the way it is defined…to conspire.  If you don’t think there is a message in your education…that would be the point.  If people knew they were being brainwashed they would resist.  Oh,  they are.  Maybe you’ve noticed kids in droves being pulled out of public schools to be homeschooled or enrolled in private charter schools because parents don’t want their kids indoctrinated with government-funded ideas on the merits of socialism and politically correct ideas.  So who is conspiring?  Just follow the money.  Public institutions receiving public funds from the government will teach the message the government wants.  So yes, you will be taught that all straight, white men are evil and no black man could ever rape a white woman (ever heard of To Kill a Mockingbird?).  Don’t be so f~~~ing naïve.

As far as getting a degree in Film… I would do it too, maybe even minor in Finger Painting, if I could find someone (some sucker!) to foot the bill while I watched Netflix all day and discussed the movies.  I’d be surprised if Ron Howard, Spielberg, or Scorsese earned a degree in film.

However, as a fellow MGTOW, I do sincerely wish you the best of luck in whatever career you choose.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29860 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29860 Wed, 11 Mar 2015 01:27:55 +0000 Vector Viking Surpise! It’s your birthday!

Martin Scorcese has a Master’s degree in film from NYU.

Steven Spielberg has a B.A. in Film Production from Cal State, Long Beach

Ron Howard attended USC’s School of Cinematic Arts but did not graduate.

George Lucas has a BFA from USC’s School of Cinematic Arts.

Francis Ford Coppola has a BFA in Theater Arts from Hofstra College and an MFA in Film from UCLA

Oliver Stone has a BFA in Film from NYU (one of his professors was Martin Scorcese, btw)

Guillermo Del Toro graduated from Centro de Investigación y Estudios Cinematográficos.

Alfonso Cuarón earned degrees in philosophy from National Autonomous University of Mexico and filmmaking from Centro Universitario de Estudios Cinematograficos.

 

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29918 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-29918 Wed, 11 Mar 2015 08:43:50 +0000 Smitty the Great One I’m trying to find the polite way to say you guys know nothing about “Birth of a Nation”, D.W. Griffith, the south, racial attitudes therein, or the KKK. F~~~ there is no way to say it.

The movie was a first, a full length feature presentation. It’s direction was ham handed, poorly written, atrociously acted, and the lighting was bad. Heck, even the blacks portrayed were white folk in black-face.Griffith was a certifiable genius though, he went on to make better movies such as “Tolerance”. To truly understand the film you have to understand and know “The South” as it really is, and not as it has been claimed. D.W. Griffith grew up in the aftermath of the alleged “Civil War”. He has seen some of the things in real life that were portrayed in the movie. It was the tale of a child complete with bogeyman (blacks).

I was born, raised, and have spent the vast majority of my life in the south. If you are white and from the south IT IS ASSUMED you are a racist bigot until proven otherwise. Even then it is subject to being revoked on the barest of claims against you…. know it. This is not to say there aren’t some racially divisive assholes that are living stereotypes… I am related to some of them.

The one thing that is always missed is the carpetbagger. These low-life’s were reviled far worse, and were a far more common problem than the occasional black rapist. Remember, pretty much the entirety of the white southern populace was disenfranchised, and that was given to the blacks. Yankee carpetbaggers have always and forever thrown blacks in-between us and them. The racial animosity in the south is artificially created by Yankee do-gooders and their imagined moral superiority. It is periodically reinforced with a round of insanity and  illegal legislation (14th Amendment, Civil Rights Act, etc…) The people of the south are treated as stock characters like out of “To Kill a Mockingbird”Any sort of pride in the heritage of the south is to be condemned as bigotry and insensitivity…. I could swear it was the US invading the CS that started the war. “Upon stools of everlasting repentance” is where we are forced to stand. We are not even allowed an opinion about WHO WE ARE as a people.

About the KKK, I’ve done copious research, and even talked with a couple prominent figures (Pastor Thomas Robb was one). How the Klan works now, and has from the beginning is quite shocking to those that only take the word of detractors. There are Cyclops, and Titans, and Klegals, and Knights. There is only and ever has only been 1 Grand Wizard of the KKK. Anyone else telling you they are, or that ANYONE besides Nathan B. Forrest was Grand Wizard (a title created exclusively for him) is a liar. Forrest in and of himself is a fascinating man that most know very little about except that he was the Grand Wizard. He was elected to this position without his knowledge or approval. The only order he ever gave was to disband. He disbanded the original Klan because he believed it had served it purpose of running of the most egregious carpetbaggers and had restored order even if to a small degree in a war torn and politically prostrate south. There was one catch though. Each “Den” is self contained and does not answer to anyone outside it’s Klavern (congressional district). This is a major reason why the KKK will never truly be stamped out. They answer only to themselves, and never to anyone outside their own realm (state).

Feminism’s tactics are straight out of Dr. Edward Bernays book, Creating Consensus…. an interesting read from the father of subliminal messaging. Women are more susceptible to the techniques described by Dr. Bernays. They seek out the emotional level and manipulate your perceptions over time. Once desensitized, or over stimulated a subject can have their perceptions molded by those creating the programming. The effects take time, and right now we are looking at right around a centuries worth of multi-layered programs laying one on top of another. Many of them working off the same keys, sex and fear being the 2 biggest ways into the emotional programming. Feminist work almost exclusively with those two components.

I stopped looking any further down that particular rabbit hole, frankly it is depressing and more than a little creepy. I hope I didn’t yank anyone’s chain too hard, once I got going it all just came pouring out….

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-30495 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-30495 Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:13:43 +0000 Dakota Smitty, you obviously have looked into these things more deeply than I.

As far as not knowing s~~~, that’s a bit of a stretch but I understand where you’re coming from.  Like Vector said, “…down here in the South it’s still a very sensitive subject.”  Indeed.  I used to love going to Civil War reenactments and being around the real culture of the South and not the media’s version of the South…which does not exist for the most part [Maybe the media should go to film school with Vector and learn how to tell a true story, except I don’t believe they teach truth anymore].  When I moved to the South, I didn’t get it.  I didn’t get it at all.  Now I get it.

What can I say about The Birth of a Nation except that when I saw it I thought it was a rousing, dramatic film.  Best film ever?  Please.  About the movie being “ham handed, poorly written, atrociously acted, and the lighting was bad,” it’s 100 f~~~ing years old…not bad for a bunch of pioneers.  Of all the other films I’ve ever watched, all will be forgotten.  In 10,000 years from now folks will still be talking about that movie…and none of them will have ever watched it.

So today in Ferguson, MO two cops were shot in front of a police station, one in the face.  In December, two New York City police officers were shot dead “execution style” in Brooklyn while sitting in their police car.  “Northern aggression?”  I heard that.  Something tells me it hasn’t worked out like they planned.  Blue Pill Hell for sure.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-30850 <![CDATA[Reply To: D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and the Feminist Victim Narrative.]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/d-w-griffiths-birth-of-a-nation-and-the-feminist-victim-narrative/#post-30850 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:40:41 +0000 Stargazer Phenix City, Alabama in the house…

I will second Smitty’s assertion that southerners are portrayed near-universally as ignorant racist inbred f~~~s. While I am not a student of the history of the klan, I do believe that the Confederacy was right to secede over the issue of states rights versus federal power and that the charges that southerners simply wanted to maintain their ownership of slaves as being the purpose of the war is bunk.

To make the klan out to be a bunch of redneck white supremacists solely interested in lynching black “rapists” is to grossly oversimplify the situation… and you can bet that when someone is trying to turn someone else into a cartoon villain, they have something to gain by it.

I am not hoarding Confederate dollars nor do I have a sticker on my gun safe claiming that the South will Rise Again, but I would like to see a more measured consideration of the history and values of the Confederate States of America. I also believe that this is unlikely to happen in my lifetime, if ever.

And I’ll close with this… if the South had won the war (which they very nearly did) this “United States” would look a lot more like a union of independent states than the feminist controlled “let’s do what California does” disaster it is now… given that not only could men go their own way, but entire states could do so as well. Louisiana would have a drinking age of six, prostitution would be legal in pretty much the entire southwest, drugs of any sort would be legal in enough jurisdictions that there would be nobody wanting them who couldn’t find a safe place to do them, the age of consent in any state with a clue would be “as soon as you say you’re ready for it” and the mantra pretty much everywhere would be “Don’t like it here? Give us a good reason to change or get the f~~~ out.”

Thats a country I would almost certainly like to live in.

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