I’m not the best looking guy, I would probably rate myself average or little bit below (not self conscious, just trying to be real). But the guy apparently to most girls in my school is considered a “10” and really good looking. It was just annoying because I was trying to establish her as “The Boat” (Read about this in Doc Fenderson’s article) and the guy was making it difficult for me to get her attention.

Anyways, meeting my two old friends was a fun time. It wasn’t nothing much, but it just sparked an idea.

What if I was a “10” would she have treated me differently?

Beauty over money?

Is beauty good for short-term, and money long-term?

How has your guys “beauty” played a role in your relationships. Do you think it would’ve went smoother if you were more attractive?

having said that the order is

money>status>looks

if you  really care about getting women, perhaps mgtow is not for you, id recommend pua, but the chances are u’ll return later

when you realise how little a woman’s attention is worth.

I am not fond of PUA because I see that as just sleazy. It’s also destroying your self-respect over something that will never give personal validation or value. In my belief system, sex is a component of a relationship and it must be treated carefully. The PUAs only go for gratification with no concern for consequences. I don’t believe in hurting women at all. PUA hurts both women and oneself.

A lot of MGTOWs are definitely angry at women, but they have a right to be. An adult has a right to be angry even if his reasoning is bad, or even if that anger is pathological. That’s the freedom adults have and we all should respect this. It’s OK for a man to deal with his anger or hatred with women, and here we are a community that deals with going one’s own way. Maybe it’s anger driven, maybe it’s cost-analysis driven, but the point is that’s this community and it’s about living for yourself.

In the end, engaging one’s anger or hatred is the only way to heal. Denying it or suppressing it with silly societal rules, expectation or narratives is not wise, healthy or right. That’s wrong and abusive.

How has your guys “beauty” played a role in your relationships. Do you think it would’ve went smoother if you were more attractive?

No.

“Looks” don’t make a difference as much as this does.

http://www.mgtow.com/audio/how-to-treat-women/

I don’t wish to use myself as an example here (unless you ask or it’s relevant) but in this case I should mention I am 6’2″ tall and generally “advantaged” in the looks department. I can think of no example where I believe “looks” play a role as significantly as that audio clip.

As carefully explained in the above link, it is the difference between whether or not sex will happen.

You can be a good looking perfect model and a total f~~~ing WUSSBAG, and no woman would f~~~ in a million years.
Or you can look like George from Seinfeld and be a lord of the dance.

I have seen women end up sleeping with THE LAST MAN ON EARTH she “said” she would ever have sex with.

See, if I have to be a jerk to a woman to keep her, then why would I want her?

I absolutely agree with that. You can’t respect a creature like that. When I hear a woman say “my boyfriends are all jerks who treated me like s~~~” I just point and laugh at her. Because she consciously stepped over good guys to spread her legs for them.

Only pointed out what I believe is more true than the misconception that “looks matter” for men.

Really, like most things, you can answer your question by following the money.  How much money is spent on women’s beauty products vs men?  How many women make a living, how much do they make, primarily based on looks?  How many men do, and how much do they make off of it?